Peter
Soulsby (Leicester South, Lab)
I had the privilege of leading Leicester city council
for some 17 years. It has been said that that is longer than
a life sentence, and at times it certainly felt like it. But
in that capacity my city and I survived the rating system,
the savage revenue and capital cuts of the early 1980s, and
the rate capping and attendant confrontations that took place
in what was a pretty painful period. We also survived the
poll tax and the disastrous disruption and confrontation that
it caused in our city, as it did elsewhere. We are now surviving
the council tax and the attendant capping.
So it is with mixed feelings that
I speak on this Bill, because I do not know that many of my
constituents are likely to benefit from a revaluation, were
one to take place. I realise that there are many different
predictions about the possible outcome of such a revaluation,
but it seems that my constituents and others in Leicester
have suffered from the fact that house prices have risen less
significantly there than elsewhere. So there is perhaps some
benefit in revaluation, but set against that is the obvious
pain that would be caused to those whose revaluation moved
in a less favourable direction.
Far outweighing any of those considerations
is the enormous benefit that is to be gained from a thorough
review of the functions and the funding method of local government.
I am enormously heartened by what the Minister said in introducing
this debate about the Government's commitment to devolution
and decentralisation in respect of local government. The Lyons
review provides a unique opportunity to look at local government
root and branch, and to consider not just its funding but
ways of ensuring that its future is healthier than the preceding
decades have been.
On balance, I very much favour the
deferment of any revaluation, and I look forward to a radical
reform of the finance and functions of local government.
Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The,
Con)
The hon. Gentleman mentions his support for deferment.
Does that support extend to supporting Government Front Benchers
in their apparent desire to abolish local education authorities
to reduce future council tax bills?
Peter Soulsby
As I understand the proposals in the White Paper, the Government
envisage a new role for local education authorities. I do
have some concerns about what that role might be. However,
I look forward to a vigorous debate over the White Paper to
ensure that local education authorities continue to play a
vital role on behalf of local people who elect them to serve
their local communities. I look forward to vigorous debate,
but I do not envisage that the White Paper will end local
government's vital involvement in local education.
Tom Levitt (PPS (Rt Hon Hilary
Benn, Secretary of State), Department for International Development)
Conservative Members have got the history wrong,
as I recall that it was the Conservative party, from Nicholas
Ridley onwards, that went into elections with a policy of
abolishing local education authorities. We need to say categorically—
Alan Haselhurst (Deputy Speaker)
Order. I have heard quite enough to realise that
we are now moving into a debate on the future of local education
authorities. However, that is most certainly a debate for
the future, not for now.
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That was precisely
the point that I was making.
I welcome the Minister's commitment,
in introducing the debate, to a continued role for a property
tax in the funding of local government. I welcome it because
a property tax is predictable, collectable and just—albeit
sometimes a rough justice. I urge Ministers to pass the message
back to the Lyons review about the vital need for a much wider
range of sources of funding for local government. A property
tax undoubtedly has its place, but we need a wider range of
sources so that the funding that local government receives
from central Government becomes a diminishing proportion of
its total expenditure. It is certainly not healthy for local
government to depend, as it increasingly has in recent years,
on central Government funding. That is not healthy for local
democracy, so we need a much higher proportion of local government
funds to be raised locally if we are to increase the accountability
of local government to local people.
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Mark
Hendrick (PPS (Rt Hon Margaret Beckett, Secretary of State),
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs)
In achieving that aim, would it be sensible to review
the role of the uniform business rate and its contribution
to local government?
Alan Haselhurst (Deputy Speaker)
Order. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will not go too far
down that road in his reply. We are debating a Bill about
the postponement of the revaluation of properties in England,
and we should stick as closely to that subject as we possibly
can.
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
I shall certainly take your advice, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
and stick to the matter in hand—except to acknowledge
that I agree with my hon. Friend's point.
If, as I hope will be the case, the
Bill is successfully enacted, I hope that the Government will
recognise that the postponement reinforces the need for them
to look into the inequities of the present system of support
for local government and will acknowledge that certain issues
must be dealt with in the interim period before the Lyons
review. I hope that they will reflect on how the area cost
adjustment works at present and how its funding should be
restricted to authorities that experience higher-than-average
wage pressures. I hope that they will look carefully into
how resource equalisation works and the need for the current
system to keep pace with reality. Full resource equalisation
needs to take place every three years. I also hope that the
Minister will look into the way in which daytime visitors
are factored into the present arrangements, as the present
estimates are long out of date, being based on a survey that
took place some 15 years ago. We should bring the system truly
up to date and make it truly more realistic.
I heard Liberal Democrat Members argue
earlier in the debate—as we expect them to do—in
favour of local income tax. I know that there is a general
view within local government that such a local income tax
would be uncollectable, expensive, confusing and, most particularly,
a burden on employers. At least, however, Liberal Democrat
Members are consistent in their views. I also heard Conservative
Members argue powerfully for opposing revaluation. In doing
so, however, they were asking the House to support an amendment
that, if approved, would have the effect of providing just
such a revaluation as they purported to oppose this evening.
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