Peter
Soulsby (Leicester South, Lab)
My constituency is one of the most ethnically diverse of any
represented in this House outside London. In the last census
in 2001, more than 40 per cent. of its population described
themselves as other than white British, and the proportion
is probably somewhat higher today. In giving that description,
they used many different criteria, the two most notable being
race and religion.
It is not only in the census that
the two criteria of race and religion are used as indicators
of how people identify themselves. For them, when it comes
to race it is not a matter of choice, and, contrary to what
has been said several times during this debate, neither is
it a matter of choice when they identify themselves by religion.
For many of those in that 40 per cent. in my constituency,
their religion is as fundamental a part of their culture,
family and tradition as their race—in many cases, more
fundamental. Of course, it is also on the basis of race and
religion that many of those who seek to promote division,
discord and hate categorise people in my constituency and
in others.
Today, Leicester is very fortunate.
Relations between the various ethnic and religious groups
tend to be very good, and are very different from how they
were in Leicester and in many other places some 30 years ago,
and still are today in many places. That is partly because
the people of the city have been very sensible in the way
they have worked together to understand and get to know each
other. It is also because of the general legislative framework
whereby promotion of racial hatred is against the law and
clearly unacceptable. The legislation forbidding the promotion
of racial hatred has not required many prosecutions, but it
has provided a legal framework and enabled a culture in which
the promotion of racial hatred is totally unacceptable. Of
course, it is not only on the basis of matters of race that
those who seek to promote hatred categorise others—it
is also, sadly, by religion.
The four in 10 in my constituency
may have some degree of protection if they are threatened
by racial hatred, but it is different if that hatred is promoted
purely on the basis of their religion. As other hon. Members
have said, particularly my right hon. Friend the Member for
Holborn and St. Pancras (Frank Dobson), there are two exceptions.
If hatred is stirred against the one in 20 of my constituents
who are Sikh, they will protected, because Sikhism is covered
by racial hatred legislation. Similarly, if the one in 100
of my constituents who are Jewish find that hatred is being
promoted against them, they too will find some protection
because they happen to have an identification that is beyond
racial and includes a religious identification. As my hon.
Friend the Member for Nottingham, North (Mr. Allen) said,
the extension of the law preventing racial hatred has enabled
them to get some degree of additional protection. Unlike my
hon. Friend, however, I do not feel that that should be regretted
as an extension of the existing legislation—rather,
that it should be extended to include other religious minorities.
Graham Allen (Nottingham North,
Lab)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
Certainly, because I realise that my hon. Friend may feel
that I have misrepresented him slightly.
Graham Allen (Nottingham North,
Lab)
What I actually said was that I was pleased about the extension
to cover Jewish and Sikh people but that it had not been in
the original legislation, and therefore as we pass legislation
tonight there may be other unintended consequences as a result
of case law being built on it.
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Peter
Soulsby (Leicester South, Lab)
I entirely accept that that was my hon. Friend's point and
that he was welcoming the extension; my argument is that it
should be extended to other religious minorities, which is
the purpose of the Bill.
Evan Harris (Oxford West &
Abingdon, LDem)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that case law in cases regarding
Sikhs and Jews recognises that the existing laws on incitement
to racial hatred protected those groups because they are races
as well as religions? Is he not making a good argument for
extending the race hate laws to cover religions when the motive
is racial hatred, which is what the so-called Lester amendment
does?
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
No; my point was that a significant proportion of my constituents
and others identify themselves primarily by their religion,
and that that identification that they have of themselves
and that others have of them should be protected.
Mark Hendrick (PPS (Rt Hon
Margaret Beckett, Secretary of State), Department for Environment,
Food and Rural Affairs)
My hon. Friend makes a strong point, because race and religion
are essential in terms of how people see their own personal
identity. It is a shame that Opposition Members see religion
almost as a lifestyle choice, not as something that is innate
in somebody's identity.
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
The fact is that the law preventing the promotion of hatred
on the grounds of race deserves to be extended to those who
suffer from the promotion of hatred on the grounds of their
religion. Members of certain religions are not protected when,
as they increasingly perceive to be the case, extremists promote
hatred of them and of their friends, families and communities
on the grounds of their religion. The Bill is not about giving
special treatment to particular religions—it clearly
applies to all, and has indeed been extended to apply to those
who have no religion. Nor is it about stifling criticism of
other faiths, or, indeed, mocking them or making judgments
about them. It is about giving the same protection to those
who have hatred stirred up against them because of their religion
as is already given to those who have hatred stirred them
because of their race.
In recent years, especially since
the events of September 2001 but also before that, ordinary,
law-abiding, peaceful and productive citizens, who happened
to be Muslim, have, with their families, felt themselves targeted
and demonised. Of course, we are considering Muslims, but
it could be members of other religions, for example, Hindus,
in future.
David Davies (Monmouth, Con)
Does the hon. Gentleman concede that many Jewish people have
felt targeted since 9/11 and that, unfortunately, some of
that has come from a small section of the Muslim community?
Peter Soulsby (Leicester South,
Lab)
That was precisely my point about the way in which the law
has been extended, is capable of being extended to prevent
attacks on Jews and Sikhs and should be extended to prevent
such attacks on Muslims and members of other religions in
future.
The Bill will not prevent anybody
from being criticised or joked about. However, it makes a
clear statement. It will provide a legal framework and help
ensure that incitement to religious hatred is as unacceptable
in Britain as is incitement to racial hatred.
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